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Scolls


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Post Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:31 am   Reply with quote      



So would you say that it's irredeemable?
What solutions wuld you suggest then, or at least from what directions would you see solutions coming from?



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Post Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:45 am   Reply with quote      



I personally believe that we should try to find solutions based on the assumption that the traditional family value is being lost. It sounds a bit sad, but that's what, I think, we need to do.



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Post Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:58 am   Reply with quote      



Funny though, the divorce rate tends to give me the impression that the majority of young people nowadays think that marriage is a game that you can play whenever you want, and just stop playing if you don't feel like it anymore!

Do you think that education could have a role to play here in educating kids that having kids and getting married are probably the most important decisions one will ever make and that there really should be a process in making such decisions rather than just going on whims of emotion?



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Post Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:19 am   Reply with quote      



Scolls wrote:

Do you think that education could have a role to play here in educating kids that having kids and getting married are probably the most important decisions one will ever make and that there really should be a process in making such decisions rather than just going on whims of emotion?

Absolutely. There is some difficulty in teaching this though because there were good reasons why you wanted to have many children traditionally.



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Post Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:50 am   Reply with quote      



But these traditionally large families tended to stick together anyways not so? So they would have had more of the family values drummed into them by the time they too wanted to start their own (large & close-knit) family.



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Post Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:41 am   Reply with quote      



Scolls wrote:
But these traditionally large families tended to stick together anyways not so?

Yeah, that, too.



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Post Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:16 am   Reply with quote      



Scolls wrote:
But these traditionally large families tended to stick together anyways not so? So they would have had more of the family values drummed into them by the time they too wanted to start their own (large & close-knit) family.

I don't think we can go back to old days, though we must learn from the past.



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Post Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:33 pm   Reply with quote      



macIsPoisonous wrote:
Scolls wrote:
But these traditionally large families tended to stick together anyways not so? So they would have had more of the family values drummed into them by the time they too wanted to start their own (large & close-knit) family.

I don't think we can go back to old days, though we must learn from the past.


But isn't this something we tend NOT to do very well at? Learning from the past?



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Post Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:37 pm   Reply with quote      



Scolls wrote:

But isn't this something we tend NOT to do very well at? Learning from the past?

Yes, sadly that is true. ... given that maybe it's more ideal to put more emphasis on studying history.



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Post Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:45 am   Reply with quote      



iRuleThisForum wrote:
Scolls wrote:

But isn't this something we tend NOT to do very well at? Learning from the past?

Yes, sadly that is true. ... given that maybe it's more ideal to put more emphasis on studying history.


And perhaps patriotism should be kept out of the choice of history to be taught. I think that we nned to be taught histories rather than history... if you get me here... so that people can become more aware of the fact that history is in the eye of the beholder, and can never be considered entirely objective unless many conflicting accounts of it are taken into account.



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Post Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:23 am   Reply with quote      



Scolls wrote:

And perhaps patriotism should be kept out of the choice of history to be taught. I think that we nned to be taught histories rather than history... if you get me here... so that people can become more aware of the fact that history is in the eye of the beholder, and can never be considered entirely objective unless many conflicting accounts of it are taken into account.

Yes, it is important to recognize that whatever country you are in, the country is very much a representation of culture and that your home, your mother land, your father land, really is this planet.



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Post Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:54 am   Reply with quote      



iRuleThisForum wrote:

Yes, it is important to recognize that whatever country you are in, the country is very much a representation of culture and that your home, your mother land, your father land, really is this planet.


But do you think this will ever manifest itself in the history taught in schools the world over? Or will it continue to be of a patriotic flavour?



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Post Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:17 am   Reply with quote      



I'm actually pretty optimistic about it. Here's an example. People in this forum aren't from one place; we're all from different places. Yet we get together and are making something. I don't know about you, but I'm no one special or extraordinary, yet I am taking a part in this. So, collaboration and communication in a mass scale isn't just for multi-national corporations and developed countries; it's happening among ordinary people as well. In fact, you can argue that many more ordinary people have power to see themselves in the global scale today than centuries ago. World trading didn't start 10 or 20 years ago; it started hundreds of years ago. However, back then did only rich and powerful people control trading. It is not exactly the case today. Are they so many people oppressed and exploited? Sadly, yes, but I think that we can see progress in many places as well.



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Post Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:32 pm   Reply with quote      



I agree! The advent of the internet has certainly given many a voice who would otherwise not have been heard. Also the access to information is empowering too.



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Post Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:35 pm   Reply with quote      



Scolls wrote:
Also the access to information is empowering too.

Yeah, you have to be well-informed first and foremost.



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